EP007 - Creating memorable remote team retreats with Matthew Young of Nomadic6
About the episode
This episode focuses on remote team retreats. How can we build memorable remote team retreats that connects people together and unplugs them from work? Why your growth edge is at the edge of your comfort zone? Why do we need to focus on building memories and experiences? I invited Matt Young, founder of Nomadic6 and remote team retreat expert, to discuss the topic.
About the guest
Matthew is the founder of Nomadic6. He is an advocate for the future of remote work that lives to build communities. Since 2016 Matt has traversed the globe immersing himself in foreign cultures and communities of expats building alternative lifestyles. Matt is designing experiences for remote teams to reconnect in exotic places while living in beautiful spaces. He believes the future of work is not just at home or back in the office, but in locations designed for human thriving.
About the host
My name is Peter Benei, founder of Anywhere Consulting. My mission is to help and inspire a community of remote leaders who can bring more autonomy, transparency, and leverage to their businesses, ultimately empowering their colleagues to be happier, more independent, and more self-conscious.
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Quotes from the show
A great remote retreat creates experiences. Memories validate our existence and relationships. Through shared memories, teams can truly connect.
They take home these memories and they live on, surfacing as boosted morale and productivity for the company.
When you design a great remote team retreat, you need to plan in areas for growth. Go for the crazy stuff! Create experiences that push people through their comfort zone, into their growth zone.
Focus on the unbeaten path.
A remote team retreat is not an offsite. It is not a team gathering. It is not a business meeting. And it should not be packed with always-on programs and agendas.
A remote team retreat connects people through fun activities, nothing more. Leave your P/L reports at home.
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Peter: Welcome everyone. Another day, another chance to talk about how remote work profoundly changes our lives. Today I wanted to focus on how to build communities for remote companies. I believe that communities are built on the foundation of shared values and shared experiences. One option for shared experiences is a retreat. So I have Matt Young, founder of Nomadic6 to discuss the topic. Matt, it's pleasure to have you here.
Matt: Thank you, Peter, so much. It's such a relevant topic. It's very prominent now and I'm excited to be here.
Peter: Love it. So can you tell a little bit more about what Nomadic6 is? What are they doing and more specifically, what's your remote work journey? How did you end up founding Nomadic6?
Matt: Sure. I, well, it all started once upon a time. I was doing the remote work, digital nomad lifestyle. 2016, 2017. I was working in digital marketing and I came across a space in Thailand called CoSpace, that specialized in accommodations for remote workers. So you have a place to sleep, there's co-working down on the first floor, and then a little community just revolved around it and suddenly I can transplant myself 10,000 miles away from home. And there were other people like me to like hang out with. And it kind of clicked, it clicked for me what this was and the importance of what community is, especially when you're a solo traveler. Over the years, we launched the brand Nomadic6 with the intent of expanding on that idea, we opened up two more locations with a similar model. We added co-working to hotels built yoga charlas, and invested heavily in community development. That's program design events, having workshops, you know, doing fun stuff together. We, our digital nomad dinners were every Friday. Those turned to like 50 people events. It was always a good time. COVID came in and shut us down, unfortunately, as it did many people. Yes. We had to leave, we had to get outta the country. Thailand was, you know, closing their borders made it back home to the States and through the lockdown we started really thinking about, you know, what it is to gather people in person. Right. Because that was so taboo, right? With, with Covid, you need to be isolated. You need to be safe. All that to be said since everyone was now moving to a remote work model. My perspective, I was saying, oh wow, everyone's gonna live the life I lived Once you travel again, you know, once you get on a plane. So we started reimagining what it was to gather people in person, right? Mm-hmm. , the intention is really what it comes down to, right? And that's what we try to focus on, is if the intention is to bring your people into a office space so you can watch them, for example , it gets a little untrustworthy, right? You feel a little micromanaged as opposed to company retreats, company offsites, the intention there is to connect your people, right? To build the community amongst your team. So it's more wholesome and it makes a much better environment for people to work in. And that's what we're doing, what we're doing now.
Peter: Love it. Love it. By the way, just want to want to reflect on the Thailand. Was it in Chiang Mai?
Matt: No, we were in Ko Phangan. I've been in Chiang Mai a couple times.
Peter: Because Chiang Mai was a huge digital nomad settlement shall always say. Or I dunno.
Matt: Like it was the Mecca of digital nomads, yeah. Chiang Mai was awesome. I did love hanging out there. But I lived on the island of Ko Phangan, which is just a tropical paradise. It was really hard to leave once you got there. For sure.
Peter: Love it. Love it. And I spoke with many other like a remote retreat companies, and they experienced the very same thing that you just said. Most of them provided like retreats like you did. And during the covid, they, I wouldn't say shut down, but they started exploring other ways to collaborate. Do you also offer or do you like, believe at all in virtual retreats as well as a solution?
Matt: Yeah. You know, I say it's, it's all goes back to the intention, right? I would say as long as people are bringing people together for the intention of connection, virtual events can be done beautifully. You know, I've attended a lot of great, beautiful amazing events and if anything, what I love about virtual is even just you and I having this conversation now. You know, the way we met was virtual. Yes. At some point I'd love to see you in person and, you know, give you a, give you a good handshake. But the way we're able to connect with people and you know, do these things over the internet is just immaculate. So I fully support, you know, if you don't have the budget for in-person gatherings, if your team is 10,000 miles away from each other, it might not be in your ability to gather people in person. So I do support, you know, if, as long as you're having that intentional time together. To connect more socially to, I think that's another thing people miss the boat on is when they say retreats. Yeah. They think they need to you know, work during these retreats. So, one thing I do wanna say, the difference between a retreat and an offsite is a retreat is supposed to be mm-hmm a removal from work. You're supposed to have more of a fun, playful, blow off steam mentality. Maybe it's a yoga retreat. Right. As opposed to an offsite is where you're gathering so that you can get some work done. Maybe you're doing your quarterly reviews your, your kpi reviews, things like that.
Peter: Thank you for like, making this distinction between the two because I think it's really, sometimes it's kind of like messed up with people that they think that usually the offsite, the strategic meetings that they have, which personally I participated in many of those are actually retreats. No, the retreat is something where do some activities that are not closely or at all connected to work or the work that you're doing on a daily basis. That's why it's called retreat. The main question when it's coming to retreats is that Is it a holiday or it's a facilitated event, right? Mm-hmm. . So as a company, if I, let's say, want to make sure that my team has a option to experience a retreat and connect through a retreat. Does it consider as a holiday, should I book a travel agency? Should I open, I don't know, booking account or whatever? Or should I go to a remote retreat company who takes care of everything? So what's your take on that?
Matt: It really always goes down to the intention. Yes. And this is where in our process we have a really lengthy discovery call, right. Where we need to figure out what your goals are. Not necessarily as from a company perspective, everyone's goal as a company is to be successful. Right. We can, we can kind of scratch that one off. But what we need to do as, as experience planners, right? Nomadic6 is a little bit more specialized in this space. Cause we've done a lot of crazy trips across the Sahara Desert, up to active volcanoes. So we're a little more adventure prone as opposed to spending a nice weekend in Amsterdam. Right? We, we go for the crazy stuff. All that to be said you know, the questions we ask companies when they're looking to gather their team in person, at least we know they wanna do that, is, you know, what is the current company culture like? Are you more of a playful company. Are you a heads down in the books company? Are you a lifestyle company or are you trying to go public? You know, what are your company goals and then what, what's your team's goals? So, beyond the discovery call with the founder or the owner or the head of hr, we, we want to talk to the team that's gonna be there. You know, so then we'll say, you know, go to the managers or the sales guys, or the tech developers and get to know them a little better. You know, what are your goals? What are your values? How do they align with this company? Do you want, do you see yourself here for many years? And if so, you know, What do you wanna see outta this company and this relationship you're building in this company? Who, who are the people you surround yourself with day to day, you know, that you ex are excited to work with? And then from there, we design our experiences around those goals, right? So it's not just, you know, having a welcome dinner or doing a tour around, you know, the Eiffel Tower. We really try to plug you in to the heartbeat of a location and plan events and plan experiences that kind of get you guys to get outta your box, you know, to maybe challenge you a little bit, you know? Mm-hmm. , maybe we drop you off at a random part of the city and you have to find your way back on your own. Along the way there's a scavenger hunt. Collect these five things from a market in Marrakesh, you know that's kind of how we played the game.
Peter: I love it. Before we talk about the actual experiences, because I'm kind of curious to learn how, let's say, I dunno, 20 developers manage to get out from the Sahara Desert. We are, we are both coming from marketing background, right? So, and because of that, I think that's why we are thinking like this, that of course you need to have the goals first. You need to set the goals first, then plan the campaign or event or whatever it is. But after the campaign or the event, you also have to show some results, right? Mm-hmm. So do you also follow up each event after, you know it happened. And what were the the main experiences or learnings that you can share?
Matt: Hmm. Yeah. So before we start a trip, we, we do that discovery process where we ask some key questions about, you know, I would say the corporate terms, you know, like workplace happiness, workplace satisfaction we're a little bit more heart-centered and heart led. But that is essentially what we're measuring. We're measuring to see how are people, you know, feeling in their roles in their companies. And then afterwards we do an exit survey. Mm-hmm, and interviews, you know, we'll do one pretty soon after. So one, it's for feedback and opportunity for us to learn what we can do better, what we did. But also, you know, how are you feeling, you know, on a one to 10 on your purpose, you know, on your values on these types of things. Mm-hmm, what are the top three memories from this trip? Or who's somebody you connected with the most? You know, who's somebody you didn't connect with that you wish you connected with? You know, so we, we start to get this kind of information and then we follow up, right? We, we wanna kind of keep measuring that. So it's really what we are trying to do more is build relationships with these companies. So that we can kind of measure this over time. We haven't really had anybody for that long just yet, but I'd love to see these measurements, you know, three months after, six months after. Mm-hmm. . So then we can really say like, wow was like, if we can point to our event and say that was a pivot point for somebody that, you know, changed their perspective on their work that really got them, you know, in a place where they're gonna develop their careers. Awesome. You know, I'd love to hear those kind of testimonials.
Peter: Sure. Let, let's talk about the developers in the desert. That, that, that should be a great topic. So you said that you're into the crazy stuff. So tell me, without breaching any NDAs and giving out any kind of sensitive client information just tell us a few stories. What was the most craziest example?
Matt: Well the Sahara Desert is something really special. Where we stayed, we brought a group is about 35 people. Wow. To Morocco. We stayed at a place just outside of Marrakesh. Mm-hmm. , nice little boutique hotel. I'll tell you rule number one, you need local support. You know, we had of course, the hard way a couple times. But you need, you know, we, we basically hired a guy who worked for remote year. He was their local liaison. Mm-hmm who grew up in the souks of Marrakesh and he was a great guide, resource. A plus on as much help as we needed him to provide. Also on our staff, we had somebody who spoke Arabic and Spanish, and she was amazing. So you kind of need somebody who can speak the local language. That's absolutely, especially the Sahara. especially the Sahara. So the desert we went to is an eight hour road trip away from where we were staying. So to get There was a mission. Yes. You know, I think it was seven four by fours, you know, loaded up full. They made some stops along the way. We saw some cool city, like Ourza is a beautiful city where they filmed the gladiator. Yes. Kinda the touristy stuff, but when, when you go to the desert there, there's two in in Morocco and you can kind of get a read of somebody based on which one they go to. There's Merzouga. Which is like the touristy desert. And then there's Erg Chigaga.
Peter: The first one is up to the north. I've been in Morocco, so it's in, up to the north. And the other one is down south. Down south, yeah. And only the brave ones or like, you know, less convenience focused ones shall say. Exactly. Go to the South one, you went to the South one?
Matt: We went to the south. Exactly. Precisely. It was more cause that's what we wanted to experience. Right. When I, even personally, when I planned trips, I really try to avoid the tourist hubs, you know, of course Eiffel Tower is beautiful. The Louvre is amazing. But what's the Parisian suburbs like, you know, what's you know, outside of Rome, you know what's going on in the local stuff. As an American, you just have to be curious about this stuff because we wanna know. So all to be said, the Erg Chigaga desert was the sea, right it was the, the sea of sand for as far as I can see, it was just rolling hills and dunes. And at night the whole Milky Way came out. Yes. And the most profound experience was that it was quiet. Yes, you can hear, you can hear the blood like flowing through your veins. It was wild. It was honestly amazing. So that to be said, bringing this group out there, what was interesting was how everyone really embraced the silence and used it as an opportunity to reflect, you know, to kind of integrate the previous week of our time together and everyone kinda like scattered. And you can basically climb to the top of a dune and you see the group all kind of one by one sitting on their own in the dunes. Just, you know, they had journals, they had books. It was so interesting to watch that, you know, I think they needed that space. They needed that time, especially after being in the car for eight hours. Sure. It was just a really profound experience and it was something that I think is underutilized in retreat planning is this idea of free time and solo time. Yes. Nobody really gets that or gives that to people. They want to pack every hour with, we're gonna do this and we're gonna have this workshop, and then we're gonna do that. Like, yes, you need to give people space. You know, that's way more valuable. I love it than every worth every bang for your buck.
Peter: Yeah. I love it. Thanks for sharing. I was also in a desert and that's what I realized first that it was so insanely dead. It's super silent. And Kind of grows on you with time. And you spent the night there, right?
Matt: Yeah, we did two nights. Yeah. And it, it was cold too. Oh, two nights. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. . Yes. Yeah. Anyway that's, we had the local the nomadic people came and played music for us. We ate really well. Yes. The camps were gorgeous. Honestly. It was like 10, 10 would recommend doing that at least once in your life, you know.
Peter: I agree. And also big thumbs up on avoiding the big touristy stuff. I can really assure. I mean, I'm living in Italy most of the time, and the most challenging thing about living there is not the Italian bureaucracy or you know, like everything super slower, at least for me but you know, you have to like, indulge into that slowness but that's fine. But how to avoid the tourists so, And yes. When you said that, how, how does a Roman suburb look like? Mm-hmm. , that's, that's always super interesting. And I think one of the biggest shared experience is not just spending time together in a retreat, but also exploring together and maybe you find something new together. Because that can give you a profound experience, not just, you know. Yeah, I, yeah, I went to surfing in Portugal or something. Yeah, we went there. It's fine. Okay. Everyone does that. But, but let's do something like really super unique or super challenging. Mm-hmm. I mean, Fucking eight hours of road trip. That's like challenging.
Matt: The same with the volcano hikes in Guatemala. I mean, the volcano hike is a six hour hike straight up of active volcano. Like that's Jesus Christ.
Peter: Jesus Christ.
Matt: So there's something called we, I use the word intentional conflict. Where you kind of put people in situations that are these kinds of challenges, and it's hard and it can be done. You know, people, what's motivating is, I'll tell you this one little story, why we were doing volcano hike. There's this guy who was training to climb Mount Everest who would run the volcano seven times a week. So we are thinking this is the hardest hike we've ever done in our lives. We're exhausted. And this guy just comes running by us, and then a couple hours later he's, he's running back down the volcano. We had to stop him, says, what are you doing? I'm training to climb Mount Everest, so there's always another fish to fry. Right, of course. So in that sense, it's motivating, but it's also understanding the limits of your own mind and pushing past that. And then when you get to the summit, climbing mountains is such a great metaphor for, you know, persistence and determination as a team. You know, as you're supporting each other, you're helping each other, you're taking breaks when you need to take breaks, et cetera, but then get to the top of the mountain and you're just like, wow. You know, we did it as a group. Yeah.
Peter: And sharing the experience is also interesting when you are sharing it within the company, right? But also like do anything when you're mix and match other companies or like, just super, like individuals and that's it. So let's say, do you have a...
Matt: We wanna try that, something, yeah. Yeah. We haven't been able to do that. It's something we've thought about, you know, in terms of bringing multiple companies together. We've done a lot of individual stuff, but somewhere like that B2C model where we'll take people on these trips. But yeah, I guess we haven't really been able to find two or three companies that wanna go on a trip together. It's a little harder to sell.
Peter: Or just solo. So for example, I don't like the name digital nomads, but like very well-versed and great solopreneur or just an executive in a company that he's working for that can be super interesting to go.
Matt: Yeah. Our trips were groups of people that were individuals. They were kind of business owners or solopreneurs. Mm-hmm. Artists, musicians, things like that. So it was a little, little different than what we're kind of talking about. They were kind of the more adventure prone types, so it was a little that's why they were attracted to these, these trips. So I think that the summary to say is, we're not gonna take your company off of volcano if you don't want to do that. Finding what's right for you. That's the goal. You know?
Peter: I guess you have a huge preliminary paperwork to fill when someone signs...
Matt: A big contract.
Peter: And I guess just to tying back a little bit to the virtual word because most companies working well, our audience is working mostly remotely. How do you think that can impact? So when you go to an event like this, that's like a retreat, what do you think how it can impact their daily work back in the office or back at home or whatever work conditions they have? And I guess the question itself is, is like super, super stupid, because you cannot replicate climbing up volcano online, but you can somehow replicate the same or similar experiences that you had remotely what do you think on that?
Matt: There are ways, plenty of ways. You know we've spoken about the work happiness project with the Nini Fritz over there. She's mm-hmm very good at what she does in terms of virtual connection and what it really comes down to in any kind of event, if the intention is genuine human connection, right? It comes down to, you know, the experience of it, right? When we're building relationships with people the goal is really to validate your reason for being here. Right. You know, so we say sometimes that we're in the business of building memories, right? Memories validate your existence, memories, validate your relationships, and mm-hmm. something that's really valuable is to say hey Peter, remember that time, you know, you interviewed me on your podcast, like this is a memorable experience. This is a unique bonding opportunity. Not to mention the conversation we're having. So when I think of virtual events, I think it's very important to hone in, you know, the questions you wanna ask, you know the topics you wanna discuss. If it's just going over, you know, profit and loss statements or you know, technical writing, that's really not memorable. You know, that's not connecting anybody. So, one thing I think in virtual time or virtual That's important is allowing that spaciousness again, that free time to kind of just allow natural conversation to happen. Question prompts are great, you know. When, you know, you can open up a meeting with, you know, check-ins. Right. You know, how are you feeling mentally, physically, spiritually today? You know, like, oh, mentally I'm at 10. I'm ready to go. I'm in it. Or like, I'm kind of a five today, honestly, like, I'm not really feeling it like, okay, well how can we help you get from a five to an eight? Oh, I'd love, you know, some support on this email or have this meeting later. Oh, let's, let's, let's have a chat after this. Great. Cool. Done. You know, so just having a little bit more personal human, you know, intention behind your virtual stuff makes all the difference.
Peter: Yeah. And the funding that you mentioned Nini on this conversation because in the previous episode we discussed that and I think it's a genuine great insight and connected here too that when there is a remote work setting and when you do any kind of event, which is not business related you invite people to your home. So the audience doesn't know this because we don't record the video, but we are blurring out the back of our call. But I guess we are both in our homes. And it makes the whole connection a little bit more personal. Mm-hmm. And once you're in a personal space, you are also a little bit more open to share anything that you probably didn't want to share in the office. And that's the main difference between everyone's sacred watercooler conversation. Mm-hmm. , right? But at the water cooler in the office or in the kitchen area you still have your work face. You steal suits up and whatever. You still either browsing your phone or I don't know, discussing last week's Game of Thrones or whatever. But that's it. It's kinda like shallow ish a little bit, but when you do it online proactively then you know you're already in environment cuz you're in home and you're a little bit more personal entertained or, I dunno.
Matt: That's amazing. Yeah. I never really put it in that context, but that's, that's, you're totally spot on. I think that's a really interesting lens to look at it yeah, we're in my home right now. We're having a, you know, Dining room conversation instead of a water . Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Peter: And by the way, this is a big mindset change I think people have remotely. When you are pulling people out from their work environment and also from their personal life. And put them in, in the freaking desert. And that's also a super new experience. And everyone is like, you know, shields off. And you know, Maybe not that comfortable because of the desert and whatever, but also that experience puts them on the spot and removes all the barriers that they need. That's why retreats are super important because it's, it's a totally new experience.
Matt: And I wanna add one more asterisk. There is Sure, sure. I think we noticed was. Even as the organizers and the facilitators we're also experiencing these trips, we're also being pushed and mm-hmm. finding our growth edges, we say your growth edge is like the edge of your comfort zone. So once you get past it, then you're in your growth zone. So for the CEOs and the HR managers, don't think of these trips as just for your team to grow. It's for you. If you have a company and you wanna connect people, you need to be also connecting with them. And you need to also be, you know, going on these trips for yourself. It's something to kind of keep that, that awareness that you're gonna be pushed as well, you know, while you're here.
Peter: Sure. Yeah, totally. Okay. I ask this question from everyone because maybe the audience doesn't know this, but we are recording this episode on the 9th of January. So it's early in the year 2023. I wouldn't say predictions but how do you, how do you see yourself for this year? How do you see Nomadic6 performing this year, what are your plans? Goals personal and business. And also in terms of like the remote work or the future, let's say future of work. I also hate the distinction between remote work and other works. I think it'll be work. Work and that's it. How do you see that for this year? What do you think? What happened within the industry?
Matt: Sure. There's definitely a big push, at least I've noticed, even since the Back to Office movement has started to grow to, for people to stay remote. You know, a lot of companies, a lot of employees are saying it's like a workplace revolution, which mm-hmm. , I say is beautiful you know, it's everyone got a taste of what that freedom tasted like to not be sitting in the cars and granted, maybe it's worse over here in the States, but I did it. I commuted to work three hours a day once upon a time, you know, hour and a half each way I should say. But it was, you know, bumper to, this is when I was living in Miami. So once you realize you're gonna have that time back to yourself, how could you possibly, you know, let it go. You're more productive, you're more confident, you feel better in your jobs. People want to be remote, you know, if they can, I understand that not every job can be, so that kind of opens up a bigger conversation. Something that does interest me is, you know, the future of work as a whole, you know, the ideas of like around job sharing, you know, the ideas around more liberal time off maternity leave, paternity leave, things like that. You know, Europe is much more progressive in like four day work weeks. America's falling behind, I think United States is, is figuring it out. Some companies are a little bit more progressive but it's all just, it all points to ahead of, you know, we only get to do this thing called life once. I don't wanna spend 90% of it, you know, in an office, you know, doing, doing p and l reports, you know, so I think there's a lot to be said about people as a whole are gonna wanna experience in their lives. So these kinds of trips, these types of experiences, it almost behooves a company to invest in it because you're filling a need that I think most people have, which is a sense of adventure, a sense of human connection, a sense of doing something with their lives. So I don't really like to use the word vacation. I don't even really like to use the word retreat, cuz that indicates you're vacating something or you're retreating from something. These are immersive experiences that are beneficial. You know, they're intentional, right. So I think it's very important for companies to kind of think about that mental shift. For us at Nomadic6, you know, I've never really wanted this company to be like a public company, right? We're not trying to grow to a thousand clients or anything like that. We're that boutique agency. We've always been boutique. Our hotels in Thailand, were 15 room hotels. They're not big by any means. I do wanna get back into the property side of things. Cause the physical space is what's so valuable. . And the idea there is to then bring companies to us where we have an environment designed for human thriving. You know, bring your company to us and we're gonna do everything we just talked about, but now it's our home. So now we're coming into our space, so then we can blow your minds in other ways. Love it. So I'd say for this year really as a small squad, we could probably only handle like six groups. You know, six trips is really all, is our max. And we're in the relationship business. So we are still looking for companies that wanna work with us and build a relationship with us. So then we can go into the future and know that we can grow with you and help your company grow and really see the insight on sides and, and measure those, those data points that we talked about earlier. So if you're interested, you know, definitely send me an email, gimme a call.
Peter: I just want to state and reflect back what you just said because it's close to my heart. Really much because, and don't get me wrong, but like intentionally staying smaller and saying and saying no to high growth. I think it's a beautiful thing because it keeps you super reflective, super attentive, and everything that you do, whatever the service that you offer is kinda like tailor-made and customized and handcrafted, shall we? And that's always beneficial for the client because it's more enjoyable to you and also it'll be super customized for them. So for those who will be able to experience this handcrafted approach or specialized approach for having a immerse experience, I love that you don't use the re word retreats where people can find.
Matt: Nomadic6.com. That's it. no, I mean, you nailed it. That's just how I am personally. I'm big in art. I'm big in music. I make art on the side. Handcrafted. Even personally, when I stay, when I look for people to work with, I always go against the grain. Even when I eat out, you know, any kind of franchise or chain model just does not appeal to me. I wanna find that mom and pop hole in the wall restaurant, you know, we always say one thing I learned in Asia too is, you know, the worse the interior is, the more kind of like thrown up the tables and the chairs are the better the food's gonna be. I guarantee you the food's gonna be great. Yes. So all that to say, you know, we take what we do very seriously. We love what we do and you know, we're here to, you know, build memories, connect people, have a great time doing it.
Peter: I love it. Thank you thank you for these amazing closing words. Hmm.
Matt: No problem. Thank you for having me. This was so fun. This was a great conversation. I appreciate it. Love it. Conversation, right?
Peter: Yes, it, it was an immersive experience. There you go. Look at it Can't be done on virtual. I, I support it. Love it. Thanks for being a guest on the show.
Matt: Thanks, Peter. Appreciate it.
